Gizmo's thoughts and rantings

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2009-11-17T07:48:28.101-08:00

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2009-07-22T02:15:33.196-07:00

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Truly!Big Brother is omnipotent, omnibenevolent an...

2009-04-10T22:40:55.323-07:00

Truly!

Big Brother is omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient. And he does not exist. Big Brother is God!

Don't forget the other Mega States being analogues of the Devil.

Don't diss your post so much, not that many sources draw parallels between Big Brother and God!

"Watchtower says Jesus is an angel. "Really?Do you...

2009-03-06T18:17:13.260-08:00

"Watchtower says Jesus is an angel. "

Really?

Do you even know what an angel is?
I didn't think so.

Since angel means messenger; and Jesus is a messenger for Jehovah, Jesus is Jehovah's angel.

But Jesus is not angel in that he was not among those myriads that were created to serve Jehovah. Jesus was Jehovah's son.

I don't have elders, the congregation I attend does. I am not accountable to them.

>>> "since you don't care about what the Watchtowe...

2009-03-06T07:06:46.325-08:00

>>> "since you don't care about what the Watchtower society says, why are you quoting it?"

To prove a point. It's a generally understood concept. Sorry you're having trouble grasping it.

>>> "I follow the Bible and it agrees with the Watchtower."

The Watchtower says Jesus is an angel. The Bible says:

"God has never said to any of the angels, 'You are my Son, because today I have become your Father!' Neither has God said to any of them, 'I will be his Father, and he will be my Son!'. God never said to any of the angels, 'Sit at my right side until I make your enemies into a footstool for you!'" (Heb 1:5,13 CEV)

>>> "Where do you get the idea that I have elders?"

If you're a Jehovah's Witness then you have church elders and you're a liar for saying you don't. If you're not a Jehovah's Witness then you're a liar for saying you are in an earlier post. Either way you are a LIAR and I am done with you. Go play your childish cult-games elsewhere and stop wasting our time.

"How about you go to your elders tonight and tell ...

2009-03-05T08:53:54.832-08:00

"How about you go to your elders tonight and tell them that you don't believe you have to follow what is printed in the Watchtower magazine and see where it gets you."

Where do you get the idea that I have elders?

And where do you get the idea that people think that I have to follow what is printed anywhere?

I follow the Bible and it agrees with the Watchtower.

incredible, since you don't care about what the Wa...

2009-03-05T08:52:29.834-08:00

incredible,

since you don't care about what the Watchtower society says, why are you quoting it?

>>>"Welcome to Dodge City dude. Because that was a...

2009-03-04T21:16:28.152-08:00

>>>"Welcome to Dodge City dude. Because that was a great dodge of the question."

Read the following quotes from Watchtower Society. Again. And do it more slowly this time:

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower."

"The Watchtower is the channel which Jehovah, our God, is using at this time to instruct the faithful remnant who are keeping the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

To answer your question (again), the Watchtower religion teaches that the Watchtower mag is not the instrument of men. No man's opinion is expressed in the Watchtower. The Watchtower is the channel which God is using to instruct the faithful.

People "get the idea that just because a Watchtower says something that Jehovah's Witnesses have to do it" because the Watchtower Society says that what is printed in the Watchtower magazine COMES FROM GOD, NOT MEN.

I'll tell you what, Mister JW. How about you go to your elders tonight and tell them that you don't believe you have to follow what is printed in the Watchtower magazine and see where it gets you. K? While you're at it, tell them you don't believe that what's printed in the Watchtower magazine comes from God. And go ahead and tell them that when Fred Franz said UNDER OATH that Jehovah was the editor of the Watchtower magazine, you think he was LYING.

Then let me know when your judicial committee hearing is. I'll come out and support you.

"You are either dishonest or you are not a Jehovah...

2009-02-26T16:07:59.348-08:00

"You are either dishonest or you are not a Jehovah's Witness. If you are not, then stop your sorry attempts at representing their beliefs. You are doing a disservice to everyone here."

Welcome to Dodge City dude. Because that was a great dodge of the question.

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and I do not worship the Watchtower.

"Jehovah's Witnesses do, and that is the issue."

No, it is not the issue as you have made a choice, and I have and the rest have the right to make their choice.

Your quoting of the Watchtower only shows what has been printed. The fact that 50 years ago Rutherford wrote something does not make it the religion of Jehovah's witnesses.

>> "WHERE DO PEOPLE GET THE IDEA THAT JUST BECAUSE...

2009-02-26T09:26:47.898-08:00

>> "WHERE DO PEOPLE GET THE IDEA THAT JUST BECAUSE A WATCHTOWER SAYS SOMETHING THAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES HAVE TO DO IT?"

You are either dishonest or you are not a Jehovah's Witness. If you are not, then stop your sorry attempts at representing their beliefs. You are doing a disservice to everyone here.

>> "I don't believe that way about things."

Good for you. I don't either. However, Jehovah's Witnesses do, and that is the issue.

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower." (WT 11/1/31p327)

"The Watchtower is the channel which Jehovah, our God, is using at this time to instruct the faithful remnant who are keeping the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." (WT 8/1/30p239)

"It has pleased the lord to use The Watchtower as a means of conveying his message to his covenant people." (WT 9/15/33p276)

"It is through the columns of The Watchtower that Jehovah provides direction and constant Scriptural counsel to his people." (WT 5/1/64p277)

Fred Franz said under oath (Olin Moyle case) that Jehovah is the editor of the Watchtower magazine.

I AM NOT DEFENDING ANY CULT.WHERE DO PEOPLE GET TH...

2009-02-26T07:01:59.660-08:00

I AM NOT DEFENDING ANY CULT.

WHERE DO PEOPLE GET THE IDEA THAT JUST BECAUSE A WATCHTOWER SAYS SOMETHING THAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES HAVE TO DO IT?

I don't believe that way about things. You need to open your minds more.

>> "That is true that they said that. But that is ...

2009-02-26T06:51:27.220-08:00

>> "That is true that they said that. But that is not a ban. Canabalistic is not equal to thou shall not."

Wow. You certainly will go to extreme lengths to defend your silly little cult.

The WTS has repeatedly said that cannibalism is a violation of God's law:

"No, for that would have been cannibalism and a violation of God’s law." (***bh p.207)

I feel sorry for you thedude. You are a simpleton and that must suck.

"Based on the fact that the policies of the Watcht...

2009-02-24T16:30:54.981-08:00

"Based on the fact that the policies of the Watchtower religion have killed thousands of people."

A magazine publishing company's policies are irrelevant to the life or death of anyone.

It is true that taking blood transfusions is a violation of God's law. But it is not forever forfeiting everlasting life. Your information is flawed. It is no different than any other sin.

"Watchtower Society said that organ transplants were "CANNIBALISTIC" and that "Jehovah God did not grant permission for humans to try to perpetuate their lives by cannibalistically taking into their bodies human flesh".

That is true that they said that. But that is not a ban. Canabalistic is not equal to thou shall not.

And just because the Watchtower says that does not mean that it is bad, you assume that all Jws follow the watchtower.

"Watchtower Society did change its mind. Originally they said that an organ transplant was CANNIBALISM and against God's law, then they said it was not cannibalism and not against God's law."

No, that was the opinion of Fred Franz, not the direction of the Governing body. But the fact is that people made choices. If there were ones that chose not to have transplants, that was their choice. That was not a religious mandate. Just saying that God did not give permission does not make it a law.

"I wonder how many Jehovah's Witnesses died because they did not want to commit the sin of cannibalism?"

I don't believe any did.

"How about transfusion of blood fractions? I suppose you think the Watchtower Society didn't change their mind on that either?"

Nope. You quote from 1961 & 63 but they did not have blood fractions of fractions back then. so it is irrelevant.

>> "So university makes them omniscient?"Omniscien...

2009-02-24T08:53:24.001-08:00

>> "So university makes them omniscient?"

Omniscient? Wow, did I say that?? Don't think so. But it does qualify them to say that a person will die without treatment.

>> "Oh really? Based on your misinformation?"

Um, no. Based on the fact that the policies of the Watchtower religion have killed thousands of people.

>> "And if people died that is not the JWs fault."

Yes it is their fault, since they told their followers that by having life-saving treatment, they would be BREAKING GOD'S LAW AND FORFEITING THEIR ETERNAL FUTURE.

>> "The religion did not tell them that."

Yes they did tell them that. Go do some research instead of just parroting your cult leaders.

The Watchtower Society said that organ transplants were "CANNIBALISTIC" and that "Jehovah God did not grant permission for humans to try to perpetuate their lives by cannibalistically taking into their bodies human flesh". (The Watchtower 11/15, 1967 p.702)

Notice that? Jehovah God "DID NOT GRANT PERMISSION". Ergo, against God's law.

>> "The religion did not change its mind."

Um, yes the Watchtower Society did change its mind. Originally they said that an organ transplant was CANNIBALISM and against God's law, then they said it was not cannibalism and not against God's law.

I wonder how many Jehovah's Witnesses died because they did not want to commit the sin of cannibalism?

How about transfusion of blood fractions? I suppose you think the Watchtower Society didn't change their mind on that either?

"Is God's law violated by these medical procedures that involve the use of blood? Is it wrong to sustain life by administering a transfusion of blood or plasma or red cells or others of the component parts of the blood? YES!" (The Watchtower, 2/15, 1963 p. 124)

"The entire modern medical practice involving the use of blood is objectionable from the Christian standpoint. Therefore the taking of a blood transfusion, or, in lieu of that, the infusing of some blood fraction to sustain one's life is wrong." (The Watchtower 11/1, 1961 p. 670)

But of course today the Watchtower Society says that the "infusing of some blood fraction" is NOT wrong, and that God's law is NOT violated by transfusing "the component parts of blood".

I wonder how many Jehovah's Witnesses died because they did not want to violate God's law by accepting a transfusion of the component parts of blood?

>> "No cult at all."

LOL! Nope! No cult at all.

"Um, yes. That's what all the years of university ...

2009-02-23T15:27:37.985-08:00

"Um, yes. That's what all the years of university were for......"

So university makes them omniscient?

"Jehovah's Witnesses are the most dangerous cult in the western world."

Oh really? Based on your misinformation?

First, there was no ban on vaccinations or organ transplants. Because certain magazines printed against it does not make it a ban.

And if people died that is not the JWs fault.

"Imagine people DYING because they refused a vaccination or an organ transplant (or a blood transfusion) because their religion told them these were against God's law"

The religion did not tell them that.

"that accepting these things would cost them their eternal salvation,"

They never said that.

"only to have the religion CHANGE IT'S MIND after the fact."

The religion did not change its mind. I know that you can post copies of articles but the religion is not based on the Watchtower and Golden Age.

"I can only imagine how the surviving family members would feel."

To people of faith, they would feel that the problem of sin is what killed them.

"How is this cult permitted to operate in a civilized world?!?"

No cult at all.

"The Jehovah's Witnesses/Watchtower religion has turned this simple dietary restriction into an absolute prohibition on the TRANSFUSING of HUMAN blood. "

And it is wise because doctors agree that blood is bad.

thedude said -- "Can a doctor ever say that?"Um, y...

2009-02-23T08:57:53.695-08:00

thedude said -- "Can a doctor ever say that?"

Um, yes. That's what all the years of university were for......

The Jehovah's Witnesses are the most dangerous cult in the western world. They have killed thousands of people first because they said vaccinations were against God's law (they later changed their minds) then because they said organ transplants were against God's law (they later changed their minds) and now because they say blood transfusions are against God's law.

Imagine people DYING because they refused a vaccination or an organ transplant (or a blood transfusion) because their religion told them these were against God's law, and that accepting these things would cost them their eternal salvation, only to have the religion CHANGE IT'S MIND after the fact. How sad that a person threw their life away. I can only imagine how the surviving family members would feel.

How is this cult permitted to operate in a civilized world?!?

The craziest part is that the "prohibition" on blood mentioned in the Bible was specifically in regard to the EATING of ANIMAL blood (ie, ensuring the animal was properly bled after slaughtering). The Jehovah's Witnesses/Watchtower religion has turned this simple dietary restriction into an absolute prohibition on the TRANSFUSING of HUMAN blood.

This is always an emotionally charged debate. Peop...

2009-02-23T04:17:04.227-08:00

This is always an emotionally charged debate. People reason on the matter with good intentions and often righteous indignation, as if Jehovah's Witnesses are ill-informed or fanatical. Then, how can you explain the increase of bloodless surgery and entire hospital wings in the U.S. who use no blood at all? Obviously, blood is not a medicine and can be dangerous when used as such. In fact many recover from surgery despite a transfusion rather than because of it. Thanks to the Bible based stand on blood transfusuion many superior techniques are available. The average Witness knows far more about this subject than you might realise (and yes, there are doctors, nurses and surgeons amongst us). They are not jeapardizing their lives ot the children they love; they are demanding the best health care for them and it is available. Most countries now have hot-lines and our own training staff are available to educate hospital staff 24 hours per day about alternatives. I can't speak specifically about South Africa but I assume that is the case there as well. We value all life but we do not desperately place our emotion above God's law. We have confidence in all matters, that God knows best for us and time has proven Him right. It was he who inspired the Bible command in Romans 15:"28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!” Jehovah's Witnesses have prospered by conscientiously adhering to God's standards. Their firm determination to obey God has benefitted general public and the entire health care industry; compromise would simply be a huge set-back for everyone.

"However, the doctors basically said that if she d...

2009-02-22T07:58:43.592-08:00

"However, the doctors basically said that if she did not get it, she would die. A court overruled the parents and basically forced the kid to get it."

Can a doctor ever say that?

Or is it a case that the doctor wants a measure of 'breathing room' or room for error, so he states that without transfusion he will die because the doctor is not competent enough to treat him without transfusion and live.

And can it be said that without a transfusion he would die but with one he would live?

But parents should should make the decisions of medical treatment of children, but if it gets controversial, then it should be up to the state.

Ginny was here. ;)

2008-11-09T22:17:31.031-08:00

Ginny was here. ;)